So, I guess there was an interview on CBC radio at 6:45 am Tuesday, June 17th, about Camp Glenburn and it's current situation. I haven't heard it yet but I would love to hear it or read a transcript or get some more specific details. C'mon People of Saint John, record cbc radio from three days ago and send it to me over the internet.
Update:
Here's what the transcript description for cbc radio one says:
SAINT JOHN NEWS (06:30) (cbd-fm), 17 Jun 2008, 06:34am, Length: 00:00:45, Ref# 100379B-5LOCAL: THE FUTURE OF CAMP GLENBURN ON THE KINGSTON PENINSULA IS UP FOR DISCUSSION. THE YM-YWCA SAINT JOHN HAS SET UP A TASK FORCE TO LOOK AT WHAT TO DO WITH THE POPULAR CAMP AS WELL AS ITS CAMP ON ASHBURN LAKE ROAD. "PAT DAVIS", CEO, YM-YWCA
SAINT JOHN NEWS (07:30) (cbd-fm), 17 Jun 2008, 07:35am, Length: 00:00:52, Ref# 1003919-6LOCAL: THE HEAD OF THE YM-YWCA IN SAINT JOHN SAYS NO DECISION HAS BEEN MADE ON THE FUTURE OF CAMP GLENBURN. "PAT DAVIS", CEO, YM-YWCA
These less than one minute interviews cost $40 each (what a deal!). Basically, you can read the whole interview in the description.
Thursday, June 19, 2008
good news
The Y Board of Directors has responded to the efforts of the Glenburn alumni. Here is the email to Joanne Sparkes from Alyson Townsend (Vice Chair, Board of Directors):
Dear Joanne;
Over the past two weeks, I have received several emails from people concerned about the future of residential camping at the Y and in particular, the future of Camp Glenburn. I have been given your name as a central contact person and, through you, I would like to these emails on behalf of the Y Board of Directors.
First, we genuinely thank each person who took the time to contact us - we understand that this issue is very close to your heart.
At this time, as part of the Y's overall future planning, the Board has taken the following steps in relation to camping:
* We struck a Camp Task Force to gather information to study, report and recommend a roadmap for camping to the Board. This would include meeting with community stakeholders to receive input.
* We engaged a consultant to review our current resources.
We have received a draft consultant's report but we have not yet received any report or recommendations from the Camp Task Force as they are still in the process of gathering information. There have been no decisions asked for or made by the Board.
While we cannot give you any assurance as to any outcomes, we do wish to ensure that all voices are heard. We would strongly suggest that your constituents meet with Camp Task Force to express their views. I understand that arrangements have now been made to provide that opportunity.
Again, we thank you for your interest in this process. Your support of the Y and residential camping is sincerely appreciated.
Yours truly,
Alyson Townsend
Vice-Chair,
Saint John YM/YWCA
So, looks like good news. We have an opportunity to express interest and we should continue to do so. This, combined with the delay in the meeting and the delay in the recommendations from the Task Force, means we have some more time. Ha!
ps. Anyone hear if there was a story on cbc re: Glenburn? Interview with Pat Davis?? Anyone?
Dear Joanne;
Over the past two weeks, I have received several emails from people concerned about the future of residential camping at the Y and in particular, the future of Camp Glenburn. I have been given your name as a central contact person and, through you, I would like to these emails on behalf of the Y Board of Directors.
First, we genuinely thank each person who took the time to contact us - we understand that this issue is very close to your heart.
At this time, as part of the Y's overall future planning, the Board has taken the following steps in relation to camping:
* We struck a Camp Task Force to gather information to study, report and recommend a roadmap for camping to the Board. This would include meeting with community stakeholders to receive input.
* We engaged a consultant to review our current resources.
We have received a draft consultant's report but we have not yet received any report or recommendations from the Camp Task Force as they are still in the process of gathering information. There have been no decisions asked for or made by the Board.
While we cannot give you any assurance as to any outcomes, we do wish to ensure that all voices are heard. We would strongly suggest that your constituents meet with Camp Task Force to express their views. I understand that arrangements have now been made to provide that opportunity.
Again, we thank you for your interest in this process. Your support of the Y and residential camping is sincerely appreciated.
Yours truly,
Alyson Townsend
Vice-Chair,
Saint John YM/YWCA
So, looks like good news. We have an opportunity to express interest and we should continue to do so. This, combined with the delay in the meeting and the delay in the recommendations from the Task Force, means we have some more time. Ha!
ps. Anyone hear if there was a story on cbc re: Glenburn? Interview with Pat Davis?? Anyone?
Saturday, June 14, 2008
still kickin'
Hi everyone,
Here's a bit of an update on the situation. There have been some useful meetings going on between representatives of the alumni and representatives from the Saint John Y. They have been very willing to give use the opportunity to voice concerns, make recommendations and suggest alternative arrangements regarding the future of Camp Glenburn. We also may get a chance to organize and present our point of view to the Camping Task Force at some point in the near future.
The next board meeting was tentatively scheduled for June 16th. This has been postponed and it looks like the next meeting will take place at the end of June. However, the Camping Task Force will delay their recommendations until after this point in order to allow for the collection of more relevant information.
It has been recommended (and I fully agree with this) that people refrain from proactively contacting media at this time. We are making some progress and we need to remain in control of our side of this conversation.
We need a better way to host discussion on this topic. Anyone with any ideas should mention them as soon as possible. Convenient, clear lines of communication will only help out our side of things. We also still need to be working on contacting people that would have a vested interest in keeping Glenburn as it is now and having them at our disposal if need be. We should try to get as many email addresses as possible. If you have any to add, email them to me at tomdpatterson@gmail.com and I'll see that they get added to the list. If you have not added your name to the list, you should do so asap.
Thanks everyone.
Here's a bit of an update on the situation. There have been some useful meetings going on between representatives of the alumni and representatives from the Saint John Y. They have been very willing to give use the opportunity to voice concerns, make recommendations and suggest alternative arrangements regarding the future of Camp Glenburn. We also may get a chance to organize and present our point of view to the Camping Task Force at some point in the near future.
The next board meeting was tentatively scheduled for June 16th. This has been postponed and it looks like the next meeting will take place at the end of June. However, the Camping Task Force will delay their recommendations until after this point in order to allow for the collection of more relevant information.
It has been recommended (and I fully agree with this) that people refrain from proactively contacting media at this time. We are making some progress and we need to remain in control of our side of this conversation.
We need a better way to host discussion on this topic. Anyone with any ideas should mention them as soon as possible. Convenient, clear lines of communication will only help out our side of things. We also still need to be working on contacting people that would have a vested interest in keeping Glenburn as it is now and having them at our disposal if need be. We should try to get as many email addresses as possible. If you have any to add, email them to me at tomdpatterson@gmail.com and I'll see that they get added to the list. If you have not added your name to the list, you should do so asap.
Thanks everyone.
Thursday, June 12, 2008
New news
Once upon a time, there was an email distribution list that was a healthy discussion of all matters related to saving Camp Glenburn. This was abrubtly ended due to allegations of personal attacks that were never proven or backed up with any sort of evidence. There is now some heightened suspicion of the motives of some alumni and I don't think it is a place where people feel open to the same level of discussion that once existed.
That's alright, Joanne Sparkes is getting a report together to send off to the Board meeting through a meeting with Pat Davis. I'm not sure of the liklihood of this succeeding, but I am optimistic that everything will work out as long as we stay on the high road and stick to the facts that we have been discussing. We still don't know when the next board meeting will be but by then I'm sure we will have copies of the final report and we will be in a better position to figure out what happens next.
On a better note, we are now the proud parents of campglenburn.com and campglenburn.ca and we will use this in whatever form we need to in order to work towards our goal. People should still be trying to get ahold of anyone they think will be willing to help out when needed. We are going to need lots of numbers and so do your part and find anyone you know that will help out.
Until then, stay in touch!!
That's alright, Joanne Sparkes is getting a report together to send off to the Board meeting through a meeting with Pat Davis. I'm not sure of the liklihood of this succeeding, but I am optimistic that everything will work out as long as we stay on the high road and stick to the facts that we have been discussing. We still don't know when the next board meeting will be but by then I'm sure we will have copies of the final report and we will be in a better position to figure out what happens next.
On a better note, we are now the proud parents of campglenburn.com and campglenburn.ca and we will use this in whatever form we need to in order to work towards our goal. People should still be trying to get ahold of anyone they think will be willing to help out when needed. We are going to need lots of numbers and so do your part and find anyone you know that will help out.
Until then, stay in touch!!
Tuesday, June 10, 2008
Next...
Hey everyone,
I think that the best thing for everyone to do right now (if you're wondering about what to do) is to get in contact with everyone you know that is connected to camp, in any way. This could be as a camper, staff member, parent, friend or any other human being with any other connection to camp. We will need to get as many people as we can to be involved if we need to do anything further. Contact them and direct them here. Make sure they are aware of what's going on and the fact that they can help at some point in the near future (if necessary). The more people we have involved, the more we can do and the greater the chances of saving Camp Glenburn.
Think about all the reasons that you even loved glenburn in the first place. Connect with friends that you don't talk to much anymore. Think of the things that you learned there and the positive experiences and get in touch with anyone you know that would help out.
That's what I think.
ps. I'm sorry for the absence of tiny sandwiches at the last meeting. Scratch promises again that he will have it for the next meeting (I don't believe him).
I think that the best thing for everyone to do right now (if you're wondering about what to do) is to get in contact with everyone you know that is connected to camp, in any way. This could be as a camper, staff member, parent, friend or any other human being with any other connection to camp. We will need to get as many people as we can to be involved if we need to do anything further. Contact them and direct them here. Make sure they are aware of what's going on and the fact that they can help at some point in the near future (if necessary). The more people we have involved, the more we can do and the greater the chances of saving Camp Glenburn.
Think about all the reasons that you even loved glenburn in the first place. Connect with friends that you don't talk to much anymore. Think of the things that you learned there and the positive experiences and get in touch with anyone you know that would help out.
That's what I think.
ps. I'm sorry for the absence of tiny sandwiches at the last meeting. Scratch promises again that he will have it for the next meeting (I don't believe him).
Monday, June 9, 2008
Bad moves
Hi everyone,
We need to avoid being involved in any sort of personal attacks against the Saint John Y, it's Board or anyone else involved in this situation. This is not a tactic that is going to get us anywhere, it is not a tactic that would represent Glenburn well and it is not a course of action that is going to get any support from Glenburn alumni.
We need to avoid being involved in any sort of personal attacks against the Saint John Y, it's Board or anyone else involved in this situation. This is not a tactic that is going to get us anywhere, it is not a tactic that would represent Glenburn well and it is not a course of action that is going to get any support from Glenburn alumni.
Sunday, June 8, 2008
Summary of Sunday's meeting
We met at Scratch's place tonight and we talked about where we were right now and what to do next. There are many options for various actions on the table and I wouldn't rule anything out.
I also think that we need to act in unison and in a way that is organized and calm. Right now we have an credible, professional voice in Saint John compiling information to be presented to the Board. I think that we need to be behind this representative group of people and we need to hold off on any other actions at this time. We also would not want to do anything right now that has a negative impact on this summer's camping season. This has also been recommended by folks that are involved directly in the information being compiled in Saint John.
I do, however, think that we need to be ready for anything that may come next. Shortly, we will get a sense of how the Board is responding to the presentation and we will act accordingly. We want to make sure that we are not going into panic mode and acting in a way that makes our side of the debate appear frantic. Let's allow the Saint John group to do their best and avoid working in a way that serves to hamper the efforts that are going on right now.
People should continue to talk about what can happen next if need be. We should do this through the emails that are floating around, facebook and this blog. We need everyone to also reconnect with anyone that they may know who has an interest in this. The more people we have involved, the better. Finally, I would recommend that anyone is able to join the Y and have influence as a member to do so as soon as possible. Right now we should be trying to hear from as many different voices as possible within our alumni group. Let's stay together and act in unison to make sure that we have a voice in this.
I also think that we need to act in unison and in a way that is organized and calm. Right now we have an credible, professional voice in Saint John compiling information to be presented to the Board. I think that we need to be behind this representative group of people and we need to hold off on any other actions at this time. We also would not want to do anything right now that has a negative impact on this summer's camping season. This has also been recommended by folks that are involved directly in the information being compiled in Saint John.
I do, however, think that we need to be ready for anything that may come next. Shortly, we will get a sense of how the Board is responding to the presentation and we will act accordingly. We want to make sure that we are not going into panic mode and acting in a way that makes our side of the debate appear frantic. Let's allow the Saint John group to do their best and avoid working in a way that serves to hamper the efforts that are going on right now.
People should continue to talk about what can happen next if need be. We should do this through the emails that are floating around, facebook and this blog. We need everyone to also reconnect with anyone that they may know who has an interest in this. The more people we have involved, the better. Finally, I would recommend that anyone is able to join the Y and have influence as a member to do so as soon as possible. Right now we should be trying to hear from as many different voices as possible within our alumni group. Let's stay together and act in unison to make sure that we have a voice in this.
Saturday, June 7, 2008
Sunday meeting - Fredericton
We are going to be meeting Sunday evening (7:00) at Scratch's house (255 Smythe Street, Apartment B). This is open to anyone interested, regardless of your connection to camp. Scratch will make tiny sandwiches and we'll talk about what's going on and what we should do next.
Thursday, June 5, 2008
Come together
Folks from Fredericton are going to try to meet in order to organize a strategy as to where to go from here. I would like to see people from Saint John getting together to do the same and then we can compare notes and coordinate. It looks like this meeting is going to be happening Sunday afternoon and we will come out of this meeting with a plan of attack. If you want to be a part of this meeting, leave your email here or email me and we can decide where and when exactly this will take place.
Here's what we need next
I would like some projected costs on the "new camp" as well as some other general data:
An estimate on building materials 13 cabins the same size as Glenburn.
An estimate on the building materials for 120 beds (60 bunk beds)
An estimate on building materials for a new dining hall and kitchen
An estimate on building materials for washrooms similar to Glenburn's
An estimate on building a similar Ropes Course (Canadian builder - Challenges Unlimited based in Ontario)
An estimate on building materials for a staff/office building that is the size of the Rotary and Bung combined
An estimate on building materials for a boat house similar to Glenburn's
I have found some great info on fundraising initiatives for Ashburn Lake in recent years/months...good stuff that we will include.
Someone should come up with a list of Task Forces Members based on their affiliation - experience with Glenburn vs. Ashburn...any info we can get...kids who have attended camp...anything
We need the same info on Board Members...
I would like someone to check the land registry office in Saint John to track down any stipulations on the deed and transfer of ownership between Carpenter Centre and the Y. I want to know if there is any reason they can't sell it.
I would like to know if Ashburn lake has a Board Committee - similar to the one we had for Glenburn that has been disbanded.
Any answers to these questions should be commented on in the "comments" section of this blog or emailed directly to Joanne Sparks. If you are working on something, please let us know so different people don't waste time getting the same information.
An estimate on building materials 13 cabins the same size as Glenburn.
An estimate on the building materials for 120 beds (60 bunk beds)
An estimate on building materials for a new dining hall and kitchen
An estimate on building materials for washrooms similar to Glenburn's
An estimate on building a similar Ropes Course (Canadian builder - Challenges Unlimited based in Ontario)
An estimate on building materials for a staff/office building that is the size of the Rotary and Bung combined
An estimate on building materials for a boat house similar to Glenburn's
I have found some great info on fundraising initiatives for Ashburn Lake in recent years/months...good stuff that we will include.
Someone should come up with a list of Task Forces Members based on their affiliation - experience with Glenburn vs. Ashburn...any info we can get...kids who have attended camp...anything
We need the same info on Board Members...
I would like someone to check the land registry office in Saint John to track down any stipulations on the deed and transfer of ownership between Carpenter Centre and the Y. I want to know if there is any reason they can't sell it.
I would like to know if Ashburn lake has a Board Committee - similar to the one we had for Glenburn that has been disbanded.
Any answers to these questions should be commented on in the "comments" section of this blog or emailed directly to Joanne Sparks. If you are working on something, please let us know so different people don't waste time getting the same information.
Wednesday, June 4, 2008
Time for action
We as the alumni have an opportunity to be heard and we need to act quickly and efficiently so that there are people to listen. What we are asking is that each and every one of you is to do two things. First, we have been asked to contribute to the report. Please direct comments specific to the report to Joanne Sparks (joanne.sparkes@innovatia.net). She will compile information and send it to Pat Davis (CEO of the Y). To make sure that we are heard we would like you to go above and beyond this and send an e-mail or letters directly to the board and Y staff. These are some points we want to make
1) The report is written with a clear biased.
There are 3 members of the Saint John YM-YWCA Board of Directors that are also members of the Camping Task Force who are making these recommendations.
The 1st Vice Chair of the Board of Directors, Dale Knox, listed as the Chairman of the Glenn Carpenter Centre and is the son-in-law of Glenn Carpenter.
There was no cost analysis included in the report associated with repair of Glenburn versus the creation of a camp at Ashburn.
The challenges listed in the report were all challenges associated with selling Glenburn and keeping Ashburn. There were no challenges associated with keeping Glenburn and selling Ashburn.
The report begins with the recommendation that the Y keep one camp, close Glenburn and keep Ashburn and this is done without any rationale behind this conclusion.
The benefits related to keeping the camp at Ashburn are primarily a result of work done to create partnerships at this facility and money spent at this facility rather than at Glenburn (ex. Water trampolines, archery, ACAP environmental programs, etc.)
2) Camp enrollment at Glenburn has been increasing over the past three years while the rest of New Brunswick and North America has suffered major declines.
3) Seamless transfer of residential camping from Glenburn to Ashburn Lake is not a realistic goal. At some point, they will funding both camps simultaneously, while dealing with the reality of limited capital.
4) Capital campaigns in recent history have not been successful due to a lack of confidence in the Saint John YM-YWCA by the local community. There is no evidence that this attempt will achieve more success that previous attempts.
5) The success of Glenburn is based around the culture and tradition of the experience of camp combined with the unique location on the Belleisle Bay. Urban residential camping could not successfully reproduce this rural experience.
Board contacts
BOARD OF DIRECTORS Executive Members:
Gary Howard (ghoward@caa.maritimes.ca)- Chair
Dale Knox (dale.knox@tabufile.ca)- 1st Vice Chair
Alyson Townsend (atownsend@ccsa.cable.ca)- 2nd Vice Chair
Dean Mullin (dean.mullin@avisbudget.com)- Treasurer
Donna Mazerolle (donnamazerolle@rogers.com)- Past Chair
Board Members:Karen White ?
Michael Bacon ?
Sherry Arsenault (sherry@nbnet.nb.ca)
Ted Cheney ?Janet Scott (janetscott@enterprisesj.com)
Janet Thompson-Price (jthompsonprice@smss.com)
Djoura Abbas (Djoura.Abbas@ca.ey.com)
This is written in point form because you need to put these in your own words and add whatever else you want to. This is just a start and we are going to have to do lots more if we are going to influence this process. The ultimate goal of this letter to stall the process and open active talk with the camp community and its major contributors to provide realistic solutions to residential camping in our region.
The second thing that we want people to commit to is showing up in significant force in Saint John for the next scheduled Board meeting. This could happen as early as June 16th and we need to be present to influence the Board at this time. More on this later.
We also need any media contacts that people have in order to move on to a next phase of action.
This is a real chance to have your voice heard. We don't need to spell out what camp means to everyone because if you're reading this then you know!
Please contact us if you have suggestions on how to proceed.
1) The report is written with a clear biased.
There are 3 members of the Saint John YM-YWCA Board of Directors that are also members of the Camping Task Force who are making these recommendations.
The 1st Vice Chair of the Board of Directors, Dale Knox, listed as the Chairman of the Glenn Carpenter Centre and is the son-in-law of Glenn Carpenter.
There was no cost analysis included in the report associated with repair of Glenburn versus the creation of a camp at Ashburn.
The challenges listed in the report were all challenges associated with selling Glenburn and keeping Ashburn. There were no challenges associated with keeping Glenburn and selling Ashburn.
The report begins with the recommendation that the Y keep one camp, close Glenburn and keep Ashburn and this is done without any rationale behind this conclusion.
The benefits related to keeping the camp at Ashburn are primarily a result of work done to create partnerships at this facility and money spent at this facility rather than at Glenburn (ex. Water trampolines, archery, ACAP environmental programs, etc.)
2) Camp enrollment at Glenburn has been increasing over the past three years while the rest of New Brunswick and North America has suffered major declines.
3) Seamless transfer of residential camping from Glenburn to Ashburn Lake is not a realistic goal. At some point, they will funding both camps simultaneously, while dealing with the reality of limited capital.
4) Capital campaigns in recent history have not been successful due to a lack of confidence in the Saint John YM-YWCA by the local community. There is no evidence that this attempt will achieve more success that previous attempts.
5) The success of Glenburn is based around the culture and tradition of the experience of camp combined with the unique location on the Belleisle Bay. Urban residential camping could not successfully reproduce this rural experience.
Board contacts
BOARD OF DIRECTORS Executive Members:
Gary Howard (ghoward@caa.maritimes.ca)- Chair
Dale Knox (dale.knox@tabufile.ca)- 1st Vice Chair
Alyson Townsend (atownsend@ccsa.cable.ca)- 2nd Vice Chair
Dean Mullin (dean.mullin@avisbudget.com)- Treasurer
Donna Mazerolle (donnamazerolle@rogers.com)- Past Chair
Board Members:Karen White ?
Michael Bacon ?
Sherry Arsenault (sherry@nbnet.nb.ca)
Ted Cheney ?Janet Scott (janetscott@enterprisesj.com)
Janet Thompson-Price (jthompsonprice@smss.com)
Djoura Abbas (Djoura.Abbas@ca.ey.com)
This is written in point form because you need to put these in your own words and add whatever else you want to. This is just a start and we are going to have to do lots more if we are going to influence this process. The ultimate goal of this letter to stall the process and open active talk with the camp community and its major contributors to provide realistic solutions to residential camping in our region.
The second thing that we want people to commit to is showing up in significant force in Saint John for the next scheduled Board meeting. This could happen as early as June 16th and we need to be present to influence the Board at this time. More on this later.
We also need any media contacts that people have in order to move on to a next phase of action.
This is a real chance to have your voice heard. We don't need to spell out what camp means to everyone because if you're reading this then you know!
Please contact us if you have suggestions on how to proceed.
Show me the money
There is a preliminary report available to be viewed by interesting parties. We can, and should, repond fully and in an organized fashion. If you are interested in receiving a copy of this report, you can leave your email in the 'Comments" section.
If you are interested in making our voices heard, we need to be unified. The plan is to do this through communication with Joanne Sparks (joanne.sparkes@innovatia.net).
On a side note, I have found that the Carpenter Centre has had the advantage of having funraising opportunities with the proceeds going directly to the Camp, not being funnelled through the Y. It is mentioned on the Glenn Carpenter Centre website as the Glenn Carpenter Centre Classic and is described as:
I am writing today to request that you enter a team of 4 in the tournament with all proceeds going to the camp. The event promises great prizes and interesting twists to the game of golf.
Apparently you can also make donations directly to the Centre by contacting people through the website. So, there are ways to "show me the money" for Ashburn Lake that are not available to Glenburn and even have been actively thwarted by individuals and groups at the Saint John YM-YWCA.
If you are interested in making our voices heard, we need to be unified. The plan is to do this through communication with Joanne Sparks (joanne.sparkes@innovatia.net).
On a side note, I have found that the Carpenter Centre has had the advantage of having funraising opportunities with the proceeds going directly to the Camp, not being funnelled through the Y. It is mentioned on the Glenn Carpenter Centre website as the Glenn Carpenter Centre Classic and is described as:
I am writing today to request that you enter a team of 4 in the tournament with all proceeds going to the camp. The event promises great prizes and interesting twists to the game of golf.
Apparently you can also make donations directly to the Centre by contacting people through the website. So, there are ways to "show me the money" for Ashburn Lake that are not available to Glenburn and even have been actively thwarted by individuals and groups at the Saint John YM-YWCA.
Conflict of interest
It appears that the 1st Vice Chair of the Board (Dale Knox) has a clear conflict of interest in the matters regarding the future of Glenburn and should remove himself from the decision making process. His father-in-law was Glenn Carpenter. Here is an excerpt from his bio on his company's website:
"Mr Knox is also the chairman of the Glenn Carpenter Centre which is a 220 acre property located on Ashburn lake in Saint John which provides summer day camp opportunities for youth in southern NB. "
You can check it out here:
http://tabufile.ca/about/president.html
I'm not sure this will be very reassuring to people who are concerned about bias in this decision making process. If you agree, feel free to email the board members at the emails listed below and if you have any other emails for people listed below, post them here and we can get a complete list.
"Mr Knox is also the chairman of the Glenn Carpenter Centre which is a 220 acre property located on Ashburn lake in Saint John which provides summer day camp opportunities for youth in southern NB. "
You can check it out here:
http://tabufile.ca/about/president.html
I'm not sure this will be very reassuring to people who are concerned about bias in this decision making process. If you agree, feel free to email the board members at the emails listed below and if you have any other emails for people listed below, post them here and we can get a complete list.
Saint John YMCA-YWCA Board of Directors
Here is a list of the Board of Directors for the Saint John YM-YWCA. These are the folks with all the power in the future of Glenburn so I think, until we can get a co-ordinated strategy in place, these are the ones who people should email.
BOARD OF DIRECTORS
Executive Members:
Gary Howard (ghoward@caa.maritimes.ca)- Chair
Dale Knox (dale.knox@tabufile.ca)- 1st Vice Chair
Alyson Townsend (atownsend@ccsa.cable.ca)- 2nd Vice Chair
Dean Mullin (dean.mullin@avisbudget.com)- Treasurer
Donna Mazerolle (donnamazerolle@rogers.com)- Past Chair
Board Members:
Karen White
Michael Bacon
Sherry Arsenault (sherry@nbnet.nb.ca)
Ted Cheney
Janet Scott (janetscott@enterprisesj.com)
Janet Thompson-Price (jthompsonprice@smss.com)
Djoura Abbas (Djoura.Abbas@ca.ey.com)
BOARD OF DIRECTORS
Executive Members:
Gary Howard (ghoward@caa.maritimes.ca)- Chair
Dale Knox (dale.knox@tabufile.ca)- 1st Vice Chair
Alyson Townsend (atownsend@ccsa.cable.ca)- 2nd Vice Chair
Dean Mullin (dean.mullin@avisbudget.com)- Treasurer
Donna Mazerolle (donnamazerolle@rogers.com)- Past Chair
Board Members:
Karen White
Michael Bacon
Sherry Arsenault (sherry@nbnet.nb.ca)
Ted Cheney
Janet Scott (janetscott@enterprisesj.com)
Janet Thompson-Price (jthompsonprice@smss.com)
Djoura Abbas (Djoura.Abbas@ca.ey.com)
Brief summary of the meeting
I am going to post a brief summary of last night's meeting. A more detailed one will follow shortly after I have a chance to get my notes organized.
First off, the camping task force is recommending that the y sell camp Glenburn and move residential camping to a non-existing residential camp facility at Ashburn Lake (Glenn Carpenter Center). They have come to this solution based on reports from two consultants (Ben Davis from a Nova Scotia Y and Catherine Berris & Associates fromVancouver).
This recommendation will be presented to the y board in a final report sometime late june/early july. No notes were taken by representatives of the camping task force, though They assured us our concerns would be included in the report. This was not very reasurring and Glenburn alumni will have an organized contribution to the final report. The board makes a final decision on the future at some unknown point in the future.
The meeting went from 7 - 10 and was attended by about 50 people, most of whom were strongly against selling Glenburn. It would cost a little over a million dollars for an outside group to buy Glenburn. It would cost the Y an estimated 1 - 2 million to fix it up (this cost was too high according to some former y and Glenburn people 'in the know'). Ashburn would cost double or triple that amount to create a camp there (this cost was a very low estimate according to some). Overall, it was a frustrating meeting. Not much info was offered in response to questions but those in charge did well listening to concerns & comments.
First off, the camping task force is recommending that the y sell camp Glenburn and move residential camping to a non-existing residential camp facility at Ashburn Lake (Glenn Carpenter Center). They have come to this solution based on reports from two consultants (Ben Davis from a Nova Scotia Y and Catherine Berris & Associates fromVancouver).
This recommendation will be presented to the y board in a final report sometime late june/early july. No notes were taken by representatives of the camping task force, though They assured us our concerns would be included in the report. This was not very reasurring and Glenburn alumni will have an organized contribution to the final report. The board makes a final decision on the future at some unknown point in the future.
The meeting went from 7 - 10 and was attended by about 50 people, most of whom were strongly against selling Glenburn. It would cost a little over a million dollars for an outside group to buy Glenburn. It would cost the Y an estimated 1 - 2 million to fix it up (this cost was too high according to some former y and Glenburn people 'in the know'). Ashburn would cost double or triple that amount to create a camp there (this cost was a very low estimate according to some). Overall, it was a frustrating meeting. Not much info was offered in response to questions but those in charge did well listening to concerns & comments.
Tuesday, June 3, 2008
Summary of Monday's sj meeting
"Summary of meeting:
Tonight we had a small gathering to talk about the Future of Camp Glenburn in preparation for tomorrow night's meeting on this topic. The goal was to get some ducks lined up in order to better prepare ourselves. I'm sure this is not the whole story, but here's a summary of what we know:
-The Y now owns the Carpenter Centre.
-A Camp Task Force was formed to help the board decide what to do with Camp Glenburn, the Carpenter Centre, and camping programs in general.
-The Camp Task Force is made up of former Red Triangle recipients and current Board Members (including only 1 Glenburnian, Janet Scott (Winnie)).
-A feasibility study was performed to assess camping at the Saint John Y.
-The Camp Task Force is reviewing the feasibility study and will make a recommendation to the board.
-The Camp Task Force has not solicited the opinion of the Director of Camping, nor that of the Camp Director.
-The Y wants to stay with residential camping programs - unsure of the location.
-The Y is land rich, and cash poor.
-The Y seems to be focusing its energy on a non-developed facility that has no infrastructure with which to pursue residential camping.
They seem to be forgetting that Camp Glenburn is financially self-sufficient and is a fully functional operating camp. Ultimately we want to get the message across that Camp Glenburn is important to us, and that we are a vast family! If the future of Glenburn is up in the air, then we want the opportunity and time to share this with all Glenburnians. We'll need time to digest the information given to us tomorrow evening and we want to have another consultation. We want time to make an informed recommendation back to the Y; to let the Y know what the Glenburn family thinks.Please pass along the message about the meeting tomorrow night to as many Glenburnians as you can. We need everybody's support!
Dyno"
Tonight we had a small gathering to talk about the Future of Camp Glenburn in preparation for tomorrow night's meeting on this topic. The goal was to get some ducks lined up in order to better prepare ourselves. I'm sure this is not the whole story, but here's a summary of what we know:
-The Y now owns the Carpenter Centre.
-A Camp Task Force was formed to help the board decide what to do with Camp Glenburn, the Carpenter Centre, and camping programs in general.
-The Camp Task Force is made up of former Red Triangle recipients and current Board Members (including only 1 Glenburnian, Janet Scott (Winnie)).
-A feasibility study was performed to assess camping at the Saint John Y.
-The Camp Task Force is reviewing the feasibility study and will make a recommendation to the board.
-The Camp Task Force has not solicited the opinion of the Director of Camping, nor that of the Camp Director.
-The Y wants to stay with residential camping programs - unsure of the location.
-The Y is land rich, and cash poor.
-The Y seems to be focusing its energy on a non-developed facility that has no infrastructure with which to pursue residential camping.
They seem to be forgetting that Camp Glenburn is financially self-sufficient and is a fully functional operating camp. Ultimately we want to get the message across that Camp Glenburn is important to us, and that we are a vast family! If the future of Glenburn is up in the air, then we want the opportunity and time to share this with all Glenburnians. We'll need time to digest the information given to us tomorrow evening and we want to have another consultation. We want time to make an informed recommendation back to the Y; to let the Y know what the Glenburn family thinks.Please pass along the message about the meeting tomorrow night to as many Glenburnians as you can. We need everybody's support!
Dyno"
Monday, June 2, 2008
Drives to the Carpenter Centre
We have the following drives available:
1 car going from Fredericton (webb). This could easily increase if needed.
1 car going from Sussex (munch)
1 car going from Saint John (dyno)
If you don't know how to get ahold of these folks, email me or post it here in the 'comments' section below. See you tomorrow!
Fredericton people should meet at my house (215 Turnbull Court) at 5:30 to make sure that everyone has a drive who needs one.
1 car going from Fredericton (webb). This could easily increase if needed.
1 car going from Sussex (munch)
1 car going from Saint John (dyno)
If you don't know how to get ahold of these folks, email me or post it here in the 'comments' section below. See you tomorrow!
Fredericton people should meet at my house (215 Turnbull Court) at 5:30 to make sure that everyone has a drive who needs one.
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